I am clicking *here* often and Submitting at least one link for the index

[Mayla]

Thanks for clicking here    

I am wondering if you would be so kind as to help a little with the forum indexing project ? 

Please prepare in the following format (and post in this thread) :


*Which category it should go under--which heading within category

*Exact title of thread
*Thread link
*Summary of topic(s)


Example :

Repertoire--Beethoven

Beethoven - The last 3
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2748.msg23723.html
(progressive difficulty list for all 32 sonatas)


Before copying the link, PLEASE click the icon just to the left of the title of each thread so the thread is ready to read wherever you choose to bookmark it (and the thread is not just "floating" when opened to from the link).

This way, the threads are ready to be indexed.  Thanks for your help, it is much appreciated



Mayla's attempt to index of the forum
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9159.msg92755.html#msg92755
(Index of the piano forum)



REQUEST :

If you run across ANY thread during your reading which seems interesting and useful to you, please feel free to submit it regardless of category. 



Thanks,
Mayla

[Bob]

These would all go under the heading "method book" (Correct me if I'm wrong on any though)

I just searched for "method book" so that's how I got these.  I didn't read the whole thread, but this is a start.


"Teaching beginners"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8246.msg88765/topicseen.html#msg88765
(method books)


"Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners..."
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,6216.msg61515/topicseen.html#msg61515
(method books)

"Mastering Music method books "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4760.msg45011/topicseen.html#msg45011
(method books)

"Method Books"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4405.msg40952.html#msg40952
(method books)

"Advice and opinions on piano playing "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,6546.msg64688/topicseen.html#msg64688
(a bit on method books)

"mcclintock piano course"...
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,94.msg400/topicseen.html#msg400
(method book)

"Alfred Basic"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,173.msg774/topicseen.html#msg774
(method books)


"Starting to teach"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7573.msg77346/topicseen.html#msg77346
(method books mentioned)

"19-year-old wants to ditch his method books and try to tackle music like "Moonli"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8236.msg89413/topicseen.html#msg89413
(method books mentioned)



"What method to use for very young students"
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2192.msg18542.html#msg18542
(methods for very young students)


"Piano Adventures? Alfred? Neither?"
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2979.msg26080.html#msg26080
(Methods, Bernard does not use method books)












Not a method book one...
Under the category of areas of music study...

"Timetable?"
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2970.msg25991.html#msg25991
(Areas of study for a complete music syllabus – books for each area)

[Mayla]

Thank you very much Bob  , this is very helpful ! 

Now, for those of you who are browsing the site and find a thread that is useful and you are just dying to submit it as a link for the index, Nils has offered to have you use the "report to moderator" option located at the bottom right hand side of the thread.  Just let him know you would like for it to be indexed and it will be passed on to me  .  It's easier than ever  and so much fun too !!! 

"thanks for your support" (Bartles and Jaymes)

Mayla

[dorfmouse]

please tell me if you can think of another broad one) :

Suggestions:

Memorising

Under "Technique" ... Speed. (Maybe this should come under practice?)
                               ... Physiological aspects

Under "Repertoire" ... Listening/Downloading sites

Technology/Music Software/ Recording

Bernhard!!

[Bob]

This should go under Literature-Technical approach   and   Technique
"Piano literature listed by technique"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8981.0.html
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/27/306.html -- pianoworld version
(piano literature with a technical approach, technique, pedagogy)

This should go under Technique
"Technical elements of playing : Compiling a list"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8968.0.html
(technique, list of types of technique)

[Torp]

"thanks for your support" (Bartles and Jaymes)

Mayla

Wow, that brings back some memories....

Nothing of substance to add to your project though   Just a short trip down memory lane.

Jef

[Mayla]

Wow, that brings back some memories....

Hey, YAY, it's supposed to trigger people's memories.  You know, I am so glad you posted Torp, because I was starting to wonder if I was just talking to myself... but then there is Bob (and dorfmouse, don't forget about dorfmouse... oh yeah  ), so I started to wonder if I am Bob, talking to myself.  He he, *looks at her stash of lollipops and winks at them for no apparent reason*... *wonders if she is a piano lollipop pirate by night and Mayla-Bob by day*

*mysterious voice*  "GO PRACTICE MAYLA, GET BETTER!!!"

okay, okay

Mayla

PS-

Nothing of substance to add to your project though

  Not to worry... Well, this is fairly hush hush, but there are some positions of high esteem still open in the "Mayla's indexing project" (MIP) fan club  (he he)

[Bob]

(confused by the lollipops)

(thinks it is possible that Mayla and Bob are the same mind.  For that matter, this entire site could all be in your/my mind)

(Looks at the unresponsive pf members, the ones who don't post links for the index.  Begins poking them one by one with a stick) "Hey you!" says Bob, "Get posting please.  Let's build the index up.  Wouldn't it be cool to browse through related topics rather than do a search?"

[Mayla]

*ultimately* everything is all in our mind      

[Torp]

PS-   Not to worry... Well, this is fairly hush hush, but there are some positions of high esteem still open in the "Mayla's indexing project" (MIP) fan club  (he he)

REALLY!!!  Do I get to sing and wear a hat with big mouse ears?!!

Oops, sorry, wrong club.

I really don't have anything to offer to the indexing project.  The one thing I had to offer was the link to where some guy with "way too much time on his hands" did something crazy and made some excel spreadsheet of all the graded music in the forum.  That dude was a freak.    But you already posted the link to that.

Jef

[Mayla]

REALLY!!!  Do I get to sing and wear a hat with big mouse ears?!!

Oops, sorry, wrong club.

I really don't have anything to offer to the indexing project.  The one thing I had to offer was the link to where some guy with "way too much time on his hands" did something crazy and made some excel spreadsheet of all the graded music in the forum.  That dude was a freak.    But you already posted the link to that.

Jef

Yeah, ooops  ... well I wasn't thinking seriously (my mind it only filled with copying and pasting now) when I responded to you but, YES, you have already added a great contribution to the project.  Thanks  (it will be added to the new index soon).

Mayla

[Torp]

Yeah, ooops  ... well I wasn't thinking seriously

Hopefully you weren't taking me too seriously, all was said in jest.

Jef

PS - New Index?  Am I missing something?  Is this different than the current index you're working on?  Is it some sort of Hush, hush, agent orange kind of thing?  You could tell me but then you'd have to kill me?

[Bob]

Mayla, you could just post whatever people put up.  Then, adjust things if someone finds an error.  That way you would just be posting and not having to review all the information.



People, we need more links!  Please!  Imagine if everyone posted one link per day -- how fast the index would grow...




Under Teaching-Young students
"pedal extensions?"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9336.0.html
(pedal extension, students who can't reach the pedals)


Under topic of teaching-philosophy of teacher
" Two different attitudes, one result.  "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9333.0.html
(differing attitudes of the teacher)


Under topic of Technique-Exercises
"The Case Against Hanon and Pischna "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9104.0.html
(argument against technical exercises, Hanon, Pischna, mindless practicing, mentally engaged practicing, repetition)



goes under Chopin-Etudes, Etudes, maybe Teaching
"the tried and true road to the chopets "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7555.0.html
(Chopin, Edudes, preparing for Chopin Etudes, Czerny, Bach inventions, pieces that prepare students for Chopin Etudes)


goes under Teaching-Uncomfortable/Inappropriate situations
"An Uncomfortable Student-Teacher Relationship "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9050.0.html
(inappropriate students, professional teaching behavior)


goes under Chopin-Fantasie Impromptu (don't know the opus number argh!  Is it Op. 66?), maybe under 'most popular threads?'
"should i start the fantasie impromptu? "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4177.0.html
(Chopin Fantasie-Impromptu, students with brief playing experience, comments by Chang, heated arguments.... I've only made it through the first page-Bob.)

 

[Mayla]

*in female tourist guide voice*  "Please visit our new index of the piano forum, located in the pf website board, or follow the link given below" (also located at the top of this thread) :

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9330.msg94469.html#msg94469

Torp, I think I mostly always take things too seriously, except for when I am only joking, he he, but even I cannot tell the difference 


Thanks Bob 


Mayla

[Bob]

Under technique
"It hurts when I gliss "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9352.0.html
(glissando technique)

[Mayla]

(Thanks Bernhard  )

Theory


http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9238.msg96118.html#msg96118

[Mayla]

(Thanks Bernhard  )

Technique:

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,9238.msg95824.html#msg95824

[TheHammer]

Haha, I have had a good idea eventually! Why not put up a category for Non-Pf piano-related websites. Some that would come to mind:

Theory-sites on the web
http://www.dolmetsch.com/

http://cnx.rice.edu/content/col10208/latest/
(web theory course)

http://www.musictheory.net/

http://www.teoria.com/

http://www.emusictheory.com/

Sorry, no time to look for the content...

And some posts on teaching, althoug I am quite sure you already have them, but anyway...(thanks to...ah, it gets boring, but with more than 3000 posts, what do you expect? Anyway, a special tribute to Bernhard!)

Teaching - financial issues
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2483.msg21598.html#msg21598
(how to make a living with piano related activities)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3765.msg33928.html#msg33928
(Should teachers teach for free?)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4480.msg41968.html#msg41968
(how to figure out the lessons fees)

Teaching - general remarks
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2077.msg17179.html#msg17179
(How to become a teacher)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2246.msg19041.html#msg19041
(Young teachers – why young/bad teachers are not a problem – When the student is ready the right teacher will appear)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2032.msg19339.html#msg19339
(How to become a piano teacher – the pitfalls as well as the requirements)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2450.msg21250.html#msg21250
(four levels of teaching: Toddler, beginner, intermediate and advanced)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2192.msg21823.html#msg21823
(How to teach very young students –  the historical method, the pragmatical  x logical method and total exposure as the best way for under-5s)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2906.msg25591.html#msg25591
(How to organise a lesson syllabus)

Hmm, contributing to the big PF-Index. Feels good, really good (*hint* to all the viewers sitting and not doing anything. Come and share...)

[Bob]

under miscelleneous

"Words to live by... Hey, what's your motto? "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7748.0.html
(inspirational quotes and sayings)



Hmm..... 
(Looks at Bernhard's list.  Looks at TheHammer's list.  Looks at my list.      Suddenly feel inadequate.  )




Seriously, if everyone posts just one link, that would add up. 

[Mayla]

Thank you thank you both Hammer and Bob.  This is helpful and as I mentioned in another thread, I am getting the categories worked out and so I am having a place to plug these links in.  Funnily enough, it's actually kinda enjoyable and satisfying to put a link in it's proper spot, he he, I must be twisted  (I like being organized.. yeah.. that's it )


THANKS !!!

Mayla

[Bob]

(hypnotics voice and stare)  "I am submitting a link for Mayla's index."




under technique or scales
"Pentatonic scale fingerings -- Major and minor"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php?topic=9435
(major and minor pentatonic scale fingerings)


under jazz/blues, teaching, beginners
"Blues for beginners? "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8099.msg81860
(blues, pentatonic)


under scales and chords
"All The Scales"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,6569.msg64982
(scales, Bernhard)

under teaching
"crash course for adult student"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5311.msg50997
(more intense piano sessions, Bernhard)


teaching, beginner - intermediate
"Do you think it is possible? "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3868.msg35174
(student without teacher, Bernhard)


under technique  scales, chords, arpeggios
"How should I play scales and arpeggios? "
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2533.msg21955
(ideas for practicing/learning scales and arpeggios)


teaching -- unique problems
"Reading bass key habit... good or bad ?"
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3334.msg30582
(reading bass clef as treble clef)

[abell88]

under teaching

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2273.0.html

how to react when your student hasn't practised

[Mayla]

Thanks abell88, much appreciated 

Mayla

[abell88]

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,886.0.html

under teaching -- what do you do with a student who hasn't practised?


http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1371.0.html
under teaching -- questions to ask prospective students

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1070.0.html
under teaching -- helping a 6-year old who has trouble with note values

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,851.0.html
under teaching -- should a teacher bring a student to tears?

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,621.0.html
under teaching -- dealing with cancelled lessons - refund, makeup lessons, etc.

http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1694.0.html
under teaching -- how to dismiss a student (linked to an outside site)

Btw, Mayla, are you keeping track of the links? I haven't checked that these aren't already there.

[Kohai]

Mayla, I took it upon myself to go through and format a section of the links that you posted above by providing the title as you suggested in your initial post.  I hope that I have not just duplicated work you have already done, but it seemed helpful.  Is this how you keep track of what you already have?  I did not have time to go through and categorize them, but I hope this helps.

Kohai




Technique:

Exercises for developing technique
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1242.msg13378.html#msg13378
(Exercises for developing Technique – Eggeling for Octaves)

technic?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/board,4/topic,4880.3.html#msg46319
(discusses how to acquire technique and what technique actually is)

Thumb Over/Under?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1918.msg15015.html#msg15015
(Thumb under/over – detailed explanation – Fosberry flop)

How to Practice Aiming with Your Pinky
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2024.msg16583.html#msg16583
(how to aim the pinky – using the arm to move the fingers)

Finger strength...
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2033.msg16635.html#msg16635
(finger strength)

speed practise
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2076.msg17157.html#msg17157
(Speed – the 3 most important factors)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2079.msg17335.html#msg17335
(Hand tension – not using fingers to play)

http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2106.msg17587.html#msg17587
(developing both hands equally – repertory - why the LH is generally weaker – website for left handed pianos)

hand tension
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2163.msg18345.html#msg18345
(Colour – it is all about overtones)

finger placement on keys
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2359.msg20442.html#msg20442
(Fingering placement on the keys)

Octaves and Fast Octaves
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2230.msg20686.html#msg20686
(Octaves and fast octaves – excellent post by Robert Henry)

Thirds?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2477.msg21403.html#msg21403
(Double thirds – the movement)

3d and 4th fingers
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2502.msg21594.html#msg21594
(Independence of the 3rd and 4thfinger – it is impossible, one should work towards the illusion of independence: it is all arm work)

Round fingers
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2507.msg21688.html#msg21688
(Round fingers – the role of fingers)

Accuracy
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2552.msg22037.html#msg22037
(Accuracy – causes for inaccuracy – One possible solution: repeated note-groups)

A few technical insights needed
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2581.msg22252.html#msg22252
(Question on piano height, octave playing, wrist movement, etc.).

staccatos vs. light accents? Whats the difference?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2740.msg23635.html#msg23635
(Staccatto x light accents)

Ultra-fast arpeggios (ARGERICH)!!!
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1808.msg23879.html#msg23879
(Ultra fast arpeggios – slow practice x slow motion practice – good post by Herve – Abby whiteside is also mentioned)

How does a stds physionomy affect what u teach?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2814.msg24872.html#msg24872
(How a student’s physicality affects teaching – discussion on arm x fingers – moving from the centre: tantien and taichi – Seymour Fink gets discussed as well)

Body Movement
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2809.msg25013.html#msg25013
(Body movement – piano playing and martial arts)

Czerny op.740
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2948.msg25927.html#msg25927
(Czerny x Scarlatti to acquire technique – Ted gives an excellent contribution)

Playing softly, but not melody
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2973.msg25970.html#msg25970
(How to create a cantabile effect – several approaches: creating a mental image, outlining, the three basic ways to bring out a melody)

Trill and Melody in one hand..HELP
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3036.msg26638.html#msg26638
(trills and melody in the same hand)

A Little Extra Help with TO Technic?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3100.msg27113.html#msg27113
(thumb over – hand displacement – practising with awareness – awareness is not thinking – learning by imitation)

Stressing Sixteenth notes???
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3530.msg31559.html#msg31559
(how to bring out a melody – 3 different ways – Importance of a mental representation: hear in your mind and the fingers will comply)

Technique paranoia!
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3726.msg33453.html#msg33453
(playing with curved fingers – worry less about movement and more about sound)

Staccato and double notes technique
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,3987.msg36197.html#msg36197
(etudes and alternatives to them)

New Piano Player Problem
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4082.msg37362.html#msg37362
(one cannot learn technique in a vacuum. At the same time one cannot simply play pieces – comparison with tennis)

What's wrong with Hanon?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4182.msg38775.html#msg38775
(Hanon: pros and cons – Robert Henry’s opinion)

c.c.chang
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4164.msg39149.html#msg39149
(CC Chang and relaxation for playing fast passages)

Case for incremental speed increases
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4282.msg39831.html#msg39831
(How to increase speed: slowly using metronome x fast with chord attack – juggling and skiping rope as examples)

improving speed
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4144.msg40259.html#msg40259
(improving speed of LH – move the whole LH not only fingers)

technique
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4385.msg41226.html#msg41226
(technique is personal and relative to the piece – Fosberry flop – the best books on technique)

Acquiring Virtuoso Technique/Is it based on age?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4734.msg44770.html#msg44770
(how to acquire virtuoso technique – aiming at 100 pieces in five years)

technic?
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4880.msg46339.html#msg46339
(definition of technique: quote from Fink, Sandor and Pires – Example of the A-E-A arpeggio)

Hanon
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4887.msg47334.html#msg47334
(more on Hanon)

slow fingers
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5034.msg47829.html#msg47829
(The finger strength controversy – some excellent posts by xvimbi)

Speaking of Hanon-Are these following exercises actually useful? Check them out!
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5352.msg50998.html#msg50998
(Exercises x repertory – why technique cannot be isolated from music)

Defending technical studies
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5375.msg51272.html#msg51272
(Defending technicalexercises – two different philosophies regarding exercises – chopstick analogy)

I hate scales
http://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7226.msg72166.html#msg72166
(Thumb over is a misnomer: it consists of co-ordinating four separate movements).

a case for technique?
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7887.msg79326.html#msg79326
(why the lifting of the 4th finger is a non-problem)

Independance
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,7682.msg77042.html#msg77042
(hand independence: how to create a cue system and what is hand memory).

time and muscle tension
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8335.msg84684.html#msg84684
(circular movements to avoid co-contraction)

Speed and muscle tension
http://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8322.msg84686.html#msg84686
(speed and muscle tension – 3 important components of speed playing)